several times over the course of a year or so, jws from the kh i attended have been downright chatty during happenstance crossing of paths... .
wth is up with that?
i have no grudges against any of them, but it is confusing as all get out to have left the cult as an ardent supporter of my out, open, front page headlining transgender son, becoming vocally and decidely apostate knowing i was dead to them... now after at least a half decade out, to have them chummy-ing up to me in a check-out line.... frankly, i would rather they look the other way, you know, if none of them would ever genuinely want to know how my son is doing.
Maybe they got some of the points you were making. Just because they can't bring themselves to 'grow a pair' and out their doubts, doesn't mean they should shun you when there are no spies around.
While their non-cult personality is having a day out, let them enjoy it. They might even get to like it.
greetings.. allow me to set the questions up.. after 30 years in the truth (i'm now late 40's) and having established the truth about the truth i consider myself agnostic going on atheist.. i struggle to believe there is a god when i observe life yet i try to convince myself there must be something out there.. here's the basis of my question: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23583116 .
in summary, 2 young boys have been killed by a snake that escaped from a pet store in canada.
it made it's way up through the ventilation into the apartment they were staying in.
I just had a JW switch from being uncomfortable with Jehovah killing innocent babies to saying that it's ok. (non-cult personality vs cult personality)
It would be nice to think I have made an impression, but they have too much to lose to ever admit to themselves that my family has scammed them into joining a cult run by nut jobs.
Nice
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/andre_sprog/english/2013/07/25/132435.htm.
and today in another newspaper, they addet this picture .
http://jyllands-posten.dk/opinion/?dt=true&articleid=5767677.
Tak skal du have
i want to thank you kind folk for caring about me!!!!.
apologies for not checking in sooner, i have been so busy with the new job, and by the time evening comes i am so exhausted to log in from my laptop (that is sooooooooooooo slow).
update: job is going well - i'm back in sales and with the community newspapers known as the fever.
Great news Lou. You sound much happier you did a few months ago.
heh, publishers..... was talking with my mother the other day.
in the 17 years i've been out, my old congregation's publishers have drastically dropped.
when i was going , we were in the high 80s for publishers.
One of the very first congregations in New Zealand has shut the doors and sold the KH
ok so to start... i am still an active jw... but only because i cannot get out yet... i am slowly planning to get out.... i should really read hassan's cult control book... it seems like i am getting everything wrong in trying to help the people i know to know ttatt.. so i will need your help, all of you dear people.. my current, actual beliefs are pretty much agnostic... no belief in any particular dogma, but i believe there is a higher power out there.... there are so many things on my mind... for example,.
1. the fact that no nt manuscript contains the name "jehovah".
2. the blood doctrine.
Too much passion is a problem. Settle down. Take it easy. STFU. Your Dubs don't work to your timetable.
Once cornered, it becomes clear that my Dubs really don't give a shit about reality, truth, evidence, the Bible, whatever. They give lip service to all of that while they have control of the conversation, but when they get in the shit they just resort to trashing my character as a non-believer/apostate/whatever to pretend that they don't have to think about what I said, or answer my questions.
Forget having a barrage of ammunition. That just ID's you as the enemy. Pick ONE question that will bother THEM _______ NOT YOU, and stick with it. Never change the subject, never let them change the subject, never let tem get away with bad grammar or logic, never let them think you might have forgotten that they owe you a very good answer to a very good question.
Make sure it was a good question.
Jeremiah 25:12
ok so to start... i am still an active jw... but only because i cannot get out yet... i am slowly planning to get out.... i should really read hassan's cult control book... it seems like i am getting everything wrong in trying to help the people i know to know ttatt.. so i will need your help, all of you dear people.. my current, actual beliefs are pretty much agnostic... no belief in any particular dogma, but i believe there is a higher power out there.... there are so many things on my mind... for example,.
1. the fact that no nt manuscript contains the name "jehovah".
2. the blood doctrine.
The reason I want to tell the TATT is that I really feel a horrible guilt, a horrible shame and like you said, a "fire" inside me that just wants to scream WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
That is exactly what what will give the game away to the trooo believer JWs that you are an APOSTATE and are not to be listened to.
If you want to get your family out, you will have to ask questions to make them think, & ask those questions in such a way that they don't feel threatened by you, & feel that they really want to have sensible answers for you. Just spitting out what you know will just frighten them off you, so get cunning.
You have to find a way around every trap the WT set for apostates wanting to save their families from them. Consider keeping up the facade of being a trooo believer JW until you are the last one of your family to leave.
ok so to start... i am still an active jw... but only because i cannot get out yet... i am slowly planning to get out.... i should really read hassan's cult control book... it seems like i am getting everything wrong in trying to help the people i know to know ttatt.. so i will need your help, all of you dear people.. my current, actual beliefs are pretty much agnostic... no belief in any particular dogma, but i believe there is a higher power out there.... there are so many things on my mind... for example,.
1. the fact that no nt manuscript contains the name "jehovah".
2. the blood doctrine.
You will always get the same response to making statements that scare them, so don't do it.
Ask a question instead, then shut up and let them do all of the talking.
plus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.
jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.
Unfortunately, it's not so great when they don't die on the same day.
The remaining partner then looks forward to an empty WT Paradise with the 1960's promise of living forever with their soulmate stolen by Jehovah's bad timing, and without all of the benefits that being an Armageddon survivor provides.
